Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By siric >> 10 Jan 2010 12:38 am
it'd pay for decent swings though - i wonder how much the ugly useless round dome like thing in the park cost?
Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
Published on 20th November 2009 11:50am
This news relates to Hartwell Village (General)
The perspective of Hartwell School's Governing Body on the proposed developement in School Lane
As provided by the Chair of Governors:
- The schools standard admission number is 30. This is a statutory requirement in Reception and years 1 and 2. The School Governing Body has a policy not to exceed 30 in any of the other classes unless there are extraordinary circumstances.
- This gives the school a capacity of 210 pupils. The current school roll is 196 with two proposed admissions taking the number to198. This leaves only 12 places across the school, with spaces being available only in specific year groups
- The School has seen an increasing number of appeals for places recently and there is a further appeal pending
- The school does not wish to expand beyond 210 with its current physical capacity and staffing ratios
- Once classes go beyond 30 (only an option in KS2 due to KS1 class size ruling) additional staffing will need to be put in place in order to ensure the continuation of high quality teaching. Funding does not presently exist for this additional staffing
- Hartwell has been an “outstanding” school for many years and in the interests of our children this status must not be compromised by oversized classes, high pupil/teacher ratios and cramped physical space
- If the school were required to extend it would lose some of the outside space we have available whilst having more children needing to share this space. The outside area of the school is already limited and with no opportunity to extend the total grounds. There is also no current provision for the funding of any possible extension if it is needed
- Whilst money may have been set aside as part of the development of Cross’ Grange, this money has not been received by the school
- Access to the new development is a concern. School Lane is already busy, especially at the beginning and end of the day. Additional cars would cause safety fears as would the volume of construction vehicles during any eventual construction.
- Should construction go ahead, there are also considerations regarding external environment. The level of perimeter fencing would be a concern, particularly, during construction with an increased volume of “strangers” in and around the School. But also thereafter, with increased traffic and pedestrians passing and parking adjacent to the school, security precautions would need to be heightened, and again this would need to be funded with no current budget provision available
- As construction would be taking place during the working day, there are implications for the environment of the pupils during this time. The increased noise and air pollution, so close to the school buildings and particularly during recreation times when children should be outside playing, relaxing and socialising.
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Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By fredt >> 9 Jan 2010 07:13 pm
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By fredt >> 9 Jan 2010 07:10 pm
so the council has 27k of funds from the first development set aside for transport? how much will be made on the next development?
27k mmm we could have another set of bollards for that! or improvements to the junction to forest road and school lane to allow for the extra traffic, or improvements to the entrance to the community center car park to allow for the extra traffic from all the parents who drive their kids to school and will have park in there now, after the new houses are built according to the design brief 
isnt it great how they think of ways to get around the congestion and parking problems at somebody elses expense 
or spend the money putting the road and pavement right out side the coal yard! nah even better bill the owner of the coal yard for the repairs about time he put something back into the village apart from polution and 40ton trucks parked up in the village over night 
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By daylight_gambler >> 9 Jan 2010 05:31 pm
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By Weebly >> 9 Jan 2010 03:56 pm
The kids already filled out a questioaire in August about what they wanted - from memory a skate park and better swings came high up the list - I thought the youth money bit had already been designated for this and action was being taken - or is this not the case?
Another questionaire seems a bit pointless.
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By Parilia >> 9 Jan 2010 02:54 pm
Yes, and they are looking to do things with it. I have been to some of the recent meetings and they are going to do a survey of the village to find out what young people want.
I would hope the Parish Council advertise it well enough, here included. Sending it to kids that go to roade and live in Hartwell won't get everyone.
I would urge you all to put your comments in, or at least make sure your kids do.
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Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By siric >> 8 Jan 2010 09:28 pm
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By daylight_gambler >> 8 Jan 2010 06:26 pm
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By lmn_ >> 5 Jan 2010 06:31 pm
I like others went to the open meeting in which I felt the Parish Coucil would represent the feelings of the village ....it would 'appear' not to have been the case.
As with other things that have taken place in the village, the rounding up of support was left very late and the number of those opposing the development I believe could have been much higher if we were sooner aware/advised.
From our household we made two formal written objections like many others but again, it would appear to be with little or no effect.
This mornings 'traffic' in School Lane I think shows quite clearly what lays ahead for us as parents using the school and preschool - and not least those that live in that part of the village.
I can only hope that the planning permision is not granted however unlikely that now is. 
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By Parilia >> 5 Jan 2010 06:02 pm
Actually, they can do more.
The fact that they are only now looking at a Parish Plan for the village I found disappointing. As I have said previously, we can not stop development because the Government says Northamptonshire MUST expand to take in more commuters. What we can do though is form a coherent plan of how WE, the people who live here, want to see the village expnd. This can include how we want any '106' money to be spent to benefit residents,including the new ones.
I understand that the plans are to go before SNC on Thursday and I'm trying to arrange going to the meeting to offer objections to these current plans. I have previously been a Councillor elsewhere and have sat on Planning Committees.
I will just say that if people feel that their Parish Councillors, as well as their District and County Councillors, are not representing them properly then it is worth giving serious consideration to standing at election time and giving them a run for their money. There is no reason why a group of people couldn't get together and seriously challenge the incumbents. It all depends on how much people care about THEIR village.
This is meant in the nicest possible way- don't just complain, get up and do something about it if you're not happy.
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Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By daylight_gambler >> 5 Jan 2010 05:18 pm
Just to clarify - any parish councillor that has a material conflict of interest (such as in this case) is unable to be involve in, or vote in, any discussions relating to whatever they have an interest in, in fact I don't think they are even allowed to be in the room during discussions.
Whatever the reasons why the parish council approved (or rather didn't object) to the planning application, it has nothing to do with the the landowner being a councillor. You might disagree with their decisions, but ultimately they do try and do their best for the benefit of the village.
It is probably worth noting that the landowner was also the most vocal person in ensuring that the affordable housing on Cross's Grange was allocated to people with a significant (10 year) connection to the village.
Also the parish council don't actually get the final say in any planning application - all they can basically do is feedback comments and objections which then goes to the main council planning committee.
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By fredt >> 5 Jan 2010 04:14 pm
well what a suprise there! in that case he should stand down as there is a major clash of interest...... mainly in his bank account 
I'd also question his links to the local council overseeing the planning application!
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By carbooty >> 5 Jan 2010 01:32 pm
Fredt, I might be cynical but the parish councils silence and non objection to this developement is probably due to the fact that one of the councillors owns the field where the houses are to be built 
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By daylight_gambler >> 5 Jan 2010 10:26 am
fredt wrote:it does worry me that the parish council has nothing to say against this development! after all a 138 of the residents they are here to serve signed a petition against the said development! surely on that point alone they must raise their voice and voice the concerns of those 138 people?
I have to admit that I struggle to defend the Parish Council's response considering the feelings of the villagers (who as you say, they represent) at the open planning meeting. I would be interesting to get a copy of their official response - although I have no idea when their next meeting is!
fredt wrote:or will this supposed windfall off the back of this development allow the school to increase in size and employ more teaching staff?
As I understand it, the problem for the school is that currently their classes are at the optimum sizes (with a few spaces in some of the year groups) - unless they have a significant increase in pupil size (and the funding to match) to add additional class rooms and teaching staff, their only other option is to increase class size, which in their view will potentially reduce performance.
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By fredt >> 4 Jan 2010 11:07 pm
and I thought I was the only only who thought that way say hello to only person in god knows how many years to be escorted from a northampton borough council planing meeting
it does worry me that the parish council has nothing to say against this development! after all a 138 of the residents they are here to serve signed a petition against the said development! surely on that point alone they must raise their voice and voice the concerns of those 138 people? or do they have another agender to serve? maybe if they keep quite we'll get another set of bollards or if we're really lucky a lower rating in the next offstead report or will this supposed windfall off the back of this development allow the school to increase in size and employ more teaching staff?
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By siric >> 4 Jan 2010 10:22 pm
so the money goes to the council to do with as they please, not directly to fund the things it was paid for. And the same council decides on aproving the planning application. And are 'set to aprove' it - surprise surprise surprise
not that the council is in effect accepting payment to aprove planning applications of course
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By fredt >> 4 Jan 2010 09:52 pm
WOW! we got something that WE pay for any way! so as this junction was paid for by the cash from Cross's Grange do we get a refund on our coucil tax and road fund license? lets be honest here we get 'F' all from it, the land owner gets a small fortune, I have no problem with that, the local infrastructure gets increased demands on it which effects us in the end and we get a new.... actually its not new it was there all along it just got tarted up junction but then wait a few years back they wanted to open a glider club up on the farm land between hartwell and long street, this was refused IIRC not due to the possible increase in noise from the planes but due to the increase in traffic on the surounding roads
so what changed? that would allow them to build a load more house, that increases the traffic on that very same road, puts more drains on on the limited funds alloted to the village and increases on the local infrastructure............. ahh yes the junction yay we got bollards lets all party like its 1999 all over again
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By daylight_gambler >> 4 Jan 2010 07:32 pm
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By siric >> 4 Jan 2010 04:11 pm
well the land owners are entitled to sell their own land and profit from that sale - but if the purchasers are paying extra money for comuunity 'services' such as the school etc - who has that money? and where does it go?
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By fredt >> 3 Jan 2010 11:58 pm
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By siric >> 3 Jan 2010 09:58 pm
library facilities? we dont have a library..... where does the money go?
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By newcomer >> 3 Jan 2010 05:15 pm
Posted at lunchtime today on the BBC website...
Scheme for new homes in village
A scheme to build a new housing estate in a village in Northamptonshire is set to be approved by councillors.
Plans have been put forward to build 36 homes on a development in School Lane, Hartwell, next to the primary school.
The homes will include some low-cost houses, and the developer is willing to pay towards additional school places and library facilities.
The plans are being recommended for approval by South Northamptonshire Council, which meets on 7 January.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nort ... 438371.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/northamptonshire/8438371.stm
This link has probably been posted before. Its the planning application...
http://snc.planning-register.co.uk/Plan ... cNum=60775
http://snc.planning-register.co.uk/PlanAppDisp.asp?RecNum=60775
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By Lindz Delirium >> 30 Dec 2009 11:56 pm
The Chron lady phoned me yesterday asking me for the Friends of Hartwell School's perspective, I declined to comment (not exactly our place!) but passed herr on to the chair of governors.
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By daylight_gambler >> 30 Dec 2009 02:40 pm
Here's the link for that Chron article: http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/ ... 5945297.jp
Some interesting comments.
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By daylight_gambler >> 30 Dec 2009 01:53 pm
The Chronicle and Echo has an article in today's paper (page 5) - "Top school fears new homes plan in village"
It includes an update on the planning application:
[the proposals] will go before a meeting of South Northamptonshire Council's development control committee on January 7.
Hartwell Parish Council raised no objections but 138 residents have signed a petition objecting to the development.
The council's committee is expected to delegate approval to their environmental and implementation department, subject to the developers entering into a Section 106 agreement to provide funding for the community..
More details in the Chron.
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By another villager >> 22 Nov 2009 01:48 pm
No congestion now. It is difficult to judge the change in traffic flow because most of the vehicles on the estate come and go quietly and do not disturb us whereas previously, when the site was used commercially, large noisy lorries were impossible to ignore and caused regular and frequent aggravation!!! However, this development was a very different scenario to the proposed school site.
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By siric >> 22 Nov 2009 01:34 pm
have you noticed and difference in the traffic, congestion etc on Park Rd now the estate is finished and occupied?
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By another villager >> 22 Nov 2009 11:21 am
Inevitably there was noise, dust, increased traffic etc. etc. during demolition and construction. The biggest problem was the size of the lorries delivering to the site and their inability to have access. This resulted in parking on Park Road which impacted on the traffic travelling through - often causing long hold ups and potentially increased risk of accidents to pedestrians. During the consultation period, residents had put forward requests for restriction on working hours and on the whole these were adhered to once construction started. Although we anticipated noise and disruption we knew that in the long run, a residential estate would be preferable to the many years we had endured of commercial traffic operating on the site with little regard for the residents. Thus we were prepared to tolerate the inconvenience. This is a personal opinion but I know several others would agree.
Re: Proposed School Lane Development - The School Perspective
By siric >> 20 Nov 2009 09:32 pm
I wonder where the money put aside from Cross's Grange went then?
It'd be interesting to know how that development affected residents of Park Rd during construction? re levels of noise, traffic, pollution etc
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