Wind energy prospect near Hartwell

Re: Wind energy prospect near Hartwell

By Old Man >> 27 Sep 2011 05:53 pm

This has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with MONEY
The people who owns the land wants to make money out of it, the power company wants a fat subsidy from the government.
They are an eyesore that we will have to put up with for the rest of our lives.
FIGHT THE EYESORE NOW OR REGRET IT
IM with Fredt

Re: Wind energy prospect near Hartwell

By Arthur >> 13 Jul 2011 09:20 am

Fredt, wind farms are happening, whether they work or not, whether they like it or not, they are not going away, so complaining about the physics or economics (my degree is in physics, so at least I'm part way qualified to understand some aspects of the issue) will get us no where.

Rowley Wood is far enough away that we certainly won't hear it, and would be unlikely that most houses in the village would even see it.

Stoke Heights is even further away still, and would not be seen or heard from Hartwell, so it's a non-issue for me in that sense. As an ex Hanslope resident, and someone who knows Stoke Heights very well through cycling out there regularly, I can't see why Hanslope are in a froth over it as due to distance and topography they will neither see nor hear it, and it's way out the other side of the motorway from them.

I'm far from being in favour of wind farms, but we must be realistic and accept that they are not going to go away no matter how much we complain. Wind farms on a national scale are a fait accompli, end of story. We should save our breath, and hence our energy, on that score.

I'd far rather accept one or two local wind farms right now that won't really affect us, than have a firm come along next year and propose one right on our doorstep instead. Having none at all in the locale is almost certainly not a long term option, so best to let them get in quick with something that will cause minimal, if any, disruption instead of let them come back with a real monstrous one. In terms of protecting Hartwell we need to be thinking long term, bigger picture with this issue, not simply coming out with some kneejerk NIMBYism today that could very likely come back to haunt us tomorrow.

Re: Wind energy prospect near Hartwell

By fredt >> 12 Jul 2011 07:29 pm

Hanslope Parish council is starting a fighting fund to campaign against these after an overwhelming majority at the village meeting voted against the devolopment, will Hartwell be having a meeting and holding a vote on them? or will we just take our cut of our taxes and spend it on? well another pair of bollards and some lumpy curb stones

Re: Wind energy prospect near Hartwell

By fredt >> 12 Jul 2011 05:18 pm

Arthur wrote:Pending exactly what layout and design for the site is chosen, I'm not especially worried about it.

Re: Wind energy prospect near Hartwell

By Arthur >> 11 Jul 2011 03:39 pm

Pending exactly what layout and design for the site is chosen, I'm not especially worried about it.

Re: Wind energy prospect near Hartwell

By fredt >> 11 Jul 2011 12:27 am

http://publicaccess.milton-keynes.gov.uk/tdc/DcApplication/application_detailview.aspx?caseno=LLWA6GKWB5000 its not to late to say NO

Re: Wind energy prospect near Hartwell

By fredt >> 19 Jun 2011 10:54 pm

Re: Wind energy prospect near Hartwell

By daylight_gambler >> 13 Jun 2011 04:38 pm

fredt wrote:I would rather they were built here rather than in National Parks and other unspoilt areas of the countryside...... really? why build them at all?

Re: Wind energy prospect near Hartwell

By fredt >> 6 Jun 2011 10:12 pm

I would rather they were built here rather than in National Parks and other unspoilt areas of the countryside...... really? why build them at all? are you saying that section of the country side is already spoiled so lets not give a toss and screw up it some more? all in the name of screwing us all over for a quick buck? so ok it's not a national park and its close to the motor way, but it's a pointless exercise that only lines others pockets and empties ours

Re: Wind energy prospect near Hartwell

By daylight_gambler >> 6 Jun 2011 12:43 pm

Whilst I am not convinced wind energy is as effective or as useful as we are being led to believe (certainly not small scale in land farms) and is always certainly not the solution to our energy crisis (use less is probably the way to go!), I would rather they were built here rather than in National Parks and other unspoilt areas of the countryside.

Re: Wind energy prospect near Hartwell

By Old Man >> 2 Jun 2011 04:16 pm

This is a total joke anybody that thinks that windmills will reduce our dependence on fossil fuels is delusional.
They are an expensive eyesore that is only made viable by generous TAX payers subsides.
The land owner will get tens of thousands a year of our money I hope he has to move because of the noise pollution.
FIGHT TO EYESORE NOW!

Re: Wind energy prospect near Hartwell

By fredt >> 27 Apr 2011 10:59 am

Re: Wind energy prospect near Hartwell

By Parilia >> 17 Aug 2010 01:35 pm

Well, Fredt, there's a negative outlook if ever I saw one. That does tend to be how you are though.

The fact of the matter is this- the turbines work whenever there is wind, day or night. If more electricity is being used then less goes into the system. At night, especially on a windy night, more would go into the system and would generate income, admittedly at a fraction of the cost of buying it back, but still creating a saving.

On top of this the Government has made payments available to energy generators so that it makes it lucrative to create energy, whether you use it or put it back into the system. This income is guaranteed for 25 years.

If the Government is making it worthwhile for a Council to generate its own income through energy generation then why can't a village like ours do the same and build our own turbine/put photovoltaics on our rooftops and significantly reduce the energy we take from the grid whilst also signifcantly reducing our bills and potentially creating some income for the village to use too?

Oh, and the CEO's will readily admit to 'green' energy not being profitable as it threatens their monopoly of power. The more communities generate their own the less profit they make!!

As to it never happening, it will only never happen whilst people like you sit back and do nothing but complain. There are good examples across the country of communities generating their own power, amongst doing other things themselves. This is possible if we put our minds to it.

Do we just want big companies to build turbines all around us so we only have the view and no other benefits?

Px

Re: Wind energy prospect near Hartwell

By wolf_in_sheeps_clothing >> 15 Aug 2010 04:58 pm

Hi Fredt, I seem to recall you saying something about them not being useful when there's a demand for power, now they're no use when there's low demand! Just out of curiosity do you work in the energy sector, do you have references or resources we can look at? I'd like to read more about the subject but not sure what's dross and what's genuine research

As I understand it, the use of 'instant' 'can't be stored' type power supplements the fossil/nuclear power stations such that when demand is low the fossil/nuclear stations can reduce their output to match the output of the wind farm / other renewable power sources

I guess at night, even in a tightwad house like ours, the fridge runs and other appliances use a little power (e.g. central heating), so if that low level of demand can be met by the wind farms which in turn reduces the need for fossil/nuclear power generation then it must be having a positive impact, no?

You seem quite knowledgeable on the subject, so any additional resources you can release would be good to see.

Thanks,

wolfie.

Re: Wind energy prospect near Hartwell

By fredt >> 13 Aug 2010 10:31 pm

Parilia wrote:Isn't it better to think of something that the whole village can benefit from? A community turbine that gives everyone cheap electricity.

Px

Re: Wind energy prospect near Hartwell

By AndyC >> 11 Aug 2010 02:44 pm

That's a shame, I'd only just discovered that area as a spot for dog walking. The abandoned railway is quite interesting too.

Hmm. Rowley Wood's a bird sanctuary. Putting a wind farm right next door to it doesn't strike me as being a terribly clever idea.

Re: Wind energy prospect near Hartwell

By Parilia >> 9 Aug 2010 09:22 pm

Isn't it better to think of something that the whole village can benefit from? A community turbine that gives everyone cheap electricity.

Px

Re: Wind energy prospect near Hartwell

By thearchitect >> 7 Aug 2010 02:56 pm

they can put some on the land to the south of the village as well if they like, as long as it pays well, lol!

Re: Wind energy prospect near Hartwell

By Parilia >> 4 Aug 2010 08:22 pm

Like I said on FB- if we were a forward thinking village we'd be looking at investing in this ourselves and not just letting Bristol based companies take all the wind out of our sails, so to speak.

Is this one for the parish plan?

Px

Re: Wind energy prospect near Hartwell

By wolf_in_sheeps_clothing >> 4 Aug 2010 08:26 am

Bring it on, we need to reduce our dependence on non-renewable energy sources.